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whosloosin92 · June 12th, 2008, 00:14

I've been having long delays of around 5-6 seconds but then I put the lube into the propane adapter like you would for a normal GBB and it worked perfectly. Exactly 3 seconds. It may have also been because I added a small oring inside the fill valve to eliminate the spray that happens when I try filling with the metal airsoft innovations propane adapter that i bought from a local store.

MadMax · June 12th, 2008, 00:17

The leak is intentional:

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...&highlight=ksc

Scroll down to reply #11.

Styrak · June 12th, 2008, 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by whosloosin92

I've been having long delays of around 5-6 seconds but then I put the lube into the propane adapter like you would for a normal GBB and it worked perfectly. Exactly 3 seconds. It may have also been because I added a small oring inside the fill valve to eliminate the spray that happens when I try filling with the metal airsoft innovations propane adapter that i bought from a local store.

Were you putting lube in the grenade before? Probably not.

MadMax · June 12th, 2008, 00:39

stopping the leak altogether would prevent consistent filling too. Lubrication is a critical requirement with my grenades. It's too bad, but if you want consistent operation you've got to keep the grenades lubed.

whosloosin92 · June 12th, 2008, 00:46

Please do not make assumptions like that. Yes I have lubed it every two times I used the grenade as prescribed by airsoft innovations. I also added two drops when I first received the grenade. I decided to try lubing like a normal GBB in addition to the normal lubing to see if it helped and it turns out that it did.

Now that I see the reasoning behind the leak I'll take out that oring as soon as possible. Good thing I only filled it once like that.

MadMax · June 12th, 2008, 01:18

Well I'm still working on my troubleshooting guide. We've learned a lot about our product and we've got to put it together into a cohesive guide.

For one, we've observed a break in period. It seems that the first 10 or so deployments are less consistent than the later ones. Delays appear to settle down to nice consistent periods which kind of confuses us because the cause seems to be pretty subtle. We're working on a best break in procedure.

When the schrapnel settles we plan on publishing all our findings to web. I hope to maintain a good repository of info on this grenade to help users maximize it's performance. Making design revisions is a lot more difficult with this product. I went through 4 versions of propane adpators in my first 3 years. This product is rather anchored in an injection mould. As much as I want to throw a massive redesign, I have to amortize my mould first. At least this first build is quite good. With the right usage scheme this grenade is a consistent powerful performer so I hope to help users learn to use their grenades well.

arman · June 12th, 2008, 03:15

me and my buddy thought of this question... we use the same propane for our guns and nades... the tank has oil in it already... is it ok??? p.s. i do oil it almost every time i throw

MadMax · June 12th, 2008, 03:18

Um. How did you oil your tank?

whosloosin92 · June 12th, 2008, 03:59

It's an excellent design. To be honest I have no complaints and don't see any need for a new design. It works perfectly the way it is as far as I can tell. A short break in period is fine.

gvanzeggelaar · June 12th, 2008, 06:41

I just make sure I lube mine often and it works perfect.

arman · June 12th, 2008, 15:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMax

Um. How did you oil your tank?

put 2 drops in befor i screw the adaptor on...so theres oil in the tank..

Brian McIlmoyle · June 12th, 2008, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by arman

put 2 drops in befor i screw the adaptor on...so theres oil in the tank..

Thats enough oil for a couple of mag fills.. nothing more... that would not put oil in the tank.

WingZER0 · June 12th, 2008, 21:39

Aye, my grenade's starting to settle down now. But I do find that one drop of oil in the tank like normal GBB lubing helps the grenade noticeably. I think a few more deployments should get it fully down to spec.

nuatl · June 23rd, 2008, 22:53

when i fill my tornado grenade from airsoft innovations with propane it leaks out. it all leaks out as soon as i fill it. why will my grenade not hold propane?

Styrak · June 24th, 2008, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuatl

when i fill my tornado grenade from airsoft innovations with propane it leaks out. it all leaks out as soon as i fill it. why will my grenade not hold propane?

Did you follow the directions correctly?

Reset the valve, put the pin in, and put the timer plug in and then fill?

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June 12th, 2008, 00:17	#227
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	The leak is intentional: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...&highlight=ksc Scroll down to reply #11. __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

June 12th, 2008, 00:39	#229
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	stopping the leak altogether would prevent consistent filling too. Lubrication is a critical requirement with my grenades. It's too bad, but if you want consistent operation you've got to keep the grenades lubed. __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

June 12th, 2008, 00:46	#230
whosloosin92 Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2008	Please do not make assumptions like that. Yes I have lubed it every two times I used the grenade as prescribed by airsoft innovations. I also added two drops when I first received the grenade. I decided to try lubing like a normal GBB in addition to the normal lubing to see if it helped and it turns out that it did. Now that I see the reasoning behind the leak I'll take out that oring as soon as possible. Good thing I only filled it once like that. Last edited by whosloosin92; June 12th, 2008 at 00:48..

June 12th, 2008, 00:14	#226
whosloosin92 Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2008	I've been having long delays of around 5-6 seconds but then I put the lube into the propane adapter like you would for a normal GBB and it worked perfectly. Exactly 3 seconds. It may have also been because I added a small oring inside the fill valve to eliminate the spray that happens when I try filling with the metal airsoft innovations propane adapter that i bought from a local store.

June 12th, 2008, 01:18	#231
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	Well I'm still working on my troubleshooting guide. We've learned a lot about our product and we've got to put it together into a cohesive guide. For one, we've observed a break in period. It seems that the first 10 or so deployments are less consistent than the later ones. Delays appear to settle down to nice consistent periods which kind of confuses us because the cause seems to be pretty subtle. We're working on a best break in procedure. When the schrapnel settles we plan on publishing all our findings to web. I hope to maintain a good repository of info on this grenade to help users maximize it's performance. Making design revisions is a lot more difficult with this product. I went through 4 versions of propane adpators in my first 3 years. This product is rather anchored in an injection mould. As much as I want to throw a massive redesign, I have to amortize my mould first. At least this first build is quite good. With the right usage scheme this grenade is a consistent powerful performer so I hope to help users learn to use their grenades well. __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

June 12th, 2008, 03:15	#232
arman Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Windsor, Ont.	me and my buddy thought of this question... we use the same propane for our guns and nades... the tank has oil in it already... is it ok??? p.s. i do oil it almost every time i throw __________________ playing with my kid!

June 12th, 2008, 03:18	#233
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	Um. How did you oil your tank? __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

June 12th, 2008, 03:59	#234
whosloosin92 Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2008	It's an excellent design. To be honest I have no complaints and don't see any need for a new design. It works perfectly the way it is as far as I can tell. A short break in period is fine.

June 12th, 2008, 06:41	#235
gvanzeggelaar Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007	I just make sure I lube mine often and it works perfect.

June 12th, 2008, 21:39	#238
WingZER0 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2002	Aye, my grenade's starting to settle down now. But I do find that one drop of oil in the tank like normal GBB lubing helps the grenade noticeably. I think a few more deployments should get it fully down to spec.

June 23rd, 2008, 22:53	#239
nuatl Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2008	tornado grenade problems!! when i fill my tornado grenade from airsoft innovations with propane it leaks out. it all leaks out as soon as i fill it. why will my grenade not hold propane?

It's AALIVVE!!! Well, almost. Tornado grenade video posted on my site!

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