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March 6th, 2009, 16:11 | #151 |
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It just sucks that he was just supporting something he loved and now he's going to be sentenced to confinement for 2 years.
Its not only the sentencing though, its gonna be tough for him to land a job afterwards now that he has a criminal record. Best of luck Wil, even though you won't be able to read this until 2 years from now. |
March 6th, 2009, 16:12 | #152 | |
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It's a lot easier to prosecute the law abiding and solid citizens vs. the full on gangsters, those guys are dangerous!
Just imagine if a gang got their hands on a bunch of replicas,,,, oh right they'd be out gunned by the folks with real pistols, rifles, SMGs, and ball ammo who are busy shooting up Vancouver and the lower mainland every couple days this year. Quote:
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March 6th, 2009, 16:41 | #153 |
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The punishement is harsh. Even if it's "just" a period of conditionnal liberty and probation.
If I was him, being forbidden of playing airsoft and even using the internet... My life would be screwed. My whole life revolve around the internet. And I think of playing airsoft or doing gun related stuff at least 10 times a day... How could I be able to resist playing or reading about it... it's beyond me.
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March 6th, 2009, 17:04 | #154 |
As shitty as it may seem he was rather lucky considering he WAS guilty. Other than an absolute dicharge a conditional discharge was the best he could hope for. As for the conditions they are rather expected that he can not participate in or possess anything(Airsoft) related to what the charges stem from. The worst part IMO is the financial penalty which was quite heavy. On top of the thousands he already paod for legal representatipn. Now a conditional discharge will not stay on his record for life provided he abides by his conditions it will automatically be sealed 3 years after he's done serving the conditions of his sentence.
All that being said it still sucks and shows what a backwards justice system we have, where it is far easier to convict a good person rather than someone who cuts peoples heads of in a bus full of witnesses. Good luck Will and this community is still behind you. Hope to talk to you in about 2 years. |
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March 6th, 2009, 17:05 | #155 |
after reading the entire article...
Although is may seem 'harsh', the man did do a number of 'shady' (for lack of a better word) business practices. Like Aquamarine said, he never once sold a movie prop while operating as a movie prop store. He also was confronted by RCMP about his business that replicas were illegal to sell. After that confrontation he started requesting that redwolf (his distributor) up the velocity of his orders to above 407fps (below that defines a replica firearm). Although that would evade replicas definition, it would in turn violate another import law. The article seems quite fair, and unbiased (save for the fact that they used the "we will show real guns aswell as airsoft guns to the court room to show there 'scary' realism" arguement.) I dont like how the article made many references to bb guns, pellet guns, and Canadian Tire, but never once, unless i missed something, about an incident with marui, g&g, ics, etc. He got off lightly, relative to the possibilities he was facing. Its unfortionate that a trusted airsoft dealer got into this mess, and i wish him the best during his sentence. |
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March 6th, 2009, 18:08 | #156 |
After reading the sentencing that is pretty shitty for him. Maybe one day our justice system will be based on logic and common scene instead of what makes soccer moms feel good but has no real effect. Look at how pervasive gangs and shootings have become in Vancouver and how much time was spent punishing this guy for selling toys that every one of us probably grew up playing with as a child. Not actual airsoft guns mind you but pellet and cap guns that look just as real and would be just as illegal. I remember going to Toys R Us when I was a kid and going down the "gun" isle which was nothing but what would today be called replica firearms and metal handcuffs. The only person who is going to be seriously hurt by these things are those intentionally using them in a crime or those who are criminally negligent. Sorry to rant there but these "crimes" that don't specifically hurt anyone and carry over the top sentences just piss me off so much.
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March 6th, 2009, 18:39 | #157 |
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Of note
In several spots the judge indicated that as far as he could tell this was "the first" such case.
where someone was prosecuted for the illegal import and sale of airsoft guns. This judgment should serve to reduce the "grey area" perception of the legal status of AS guns. Also of note.. was it was very clear that this particular judge was well aware of what "airsoft" was .. and what they are typically used for. It seemed to me that if he could have shown where all the guns and ended up and proven that they were all used to participate in Games it may have mitigated the sentence. Anyway.. VERY interesting
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March 7th, 2009, 00:46 | #158 | ||
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anyways, its sad to see someone who helped this fledgeling sport burn for their contribution, i never personally bought from him, but i can still sympathise, i wish him the best of luck and hopefully/ doubtfully this may still get resolved in his favor (granted its pretty much over with now) sometime down the road.
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March 7th, 2009, 01:01 | #159 |
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Comes down to don't sell Airsoft guns in Canada or you will be treated as a criminal, etc etc.
Sorry but this country has a joke of a legal system. My prayers go to Mr Wong to have to suffer for this shit. |
March 7th, 2009, 07:02 | #160 |
From this judgement, it looks like the 407 fps limit is clearly what distinguishes an airsoft 'firearm' from an airsoft 'replica'. I guess you would need a firearms import permit and then importing airsofts at between 407 and 500 would be LEGAL and selling them to the the public would be LEGAL just like selling a bb or pellet gun. At least the one good thing to come out of this ruling is that our sport CAN be legal...I just wonder if the gun has to be manufactured for that fps window ie. Systema PTW's or it could be modded before export. . .
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March 9th, 2009, 19:48 | #161 |
This will make a lot of retailler in Canada think...
Now, curious to see how the case would have turned if only can soft were sold. Good luck Mr. Wong.
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March 9th, 2009, 20:08 | #162 | |
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All possesed guns are legal... this judgement has NOTHING to do with the "sport" of airsoft. It has everything to do with the treatment of importers and retailers. There is NOTHING in the way of the "sport" you can buy all the imitation guns you want .. legally retailed .. Granted they will have clear receivers.. but a clear receiver certainly won't stop you from playing.
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March 9th, 2009, 21:06 | #163 | |
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March 10th, 2009, 00:56 | #165 | |
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Importing non-clear guns is legal, if you have the right paperwork. Transferring them is not legal, and possession is sketchy as well (onus is on the owner to prove when he got it). But these are not really offences you are going to get arrested over, unless you are pinched selling dozens and hundreds of them, like Spec-Arms or other retailers who "retired", either voluntarily or not.
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