Action silencer seized at customs

[Shirley]

Meh, it's like a risk ordering complete gearboxes.

Airsoftparts.ca has Action Silencers. In Canada too..

[Sim123456]

Airsoftparts.ca has Action Silencers

Yes, but I also ordered parts that they don't have at the same time (505mm WE inner barrel and scar barrel extender). But yes, if they keep it, I will definitively buy it from Airsoftparts At least I choose the cheapest silencer I found, not a $$$ one. Well...

[Goge]

Originally Posted by Random Fire

Troll Hard

It comes down to the inspectors interpretation, thats why you may get the same item through 4 out of 5 times. Hopefully they won't be a dick and you'll see your stuff soon.

[Sim123456]

I'll wait a week before ordering one on airsoftparts ^^

[Short Round]

He's probably putting it on his gun testing it out on the range

[THe_Silencer]

The last silencer I ordered from HK actually had "Silencer" declared on the customs form. It made it though just fine without getting opened up so clearly the customs officer was anything but overzealous. This was the first time I've ever seen an overseas retailer audacious enough to honestly declare the contents of the package. I should probably be more prudent when ordering from them again...

[Sim123456]

Usualy they put something like "rc toy parts" lol

[Crunchmeister]

Originally Posted by Goge

It comes down to the inspectors interpretation

Unfortunately, that's the case. Personally, I ordered a stubby rail / suppressor front end for an M4 about a year ago. It was held at customs for a week, inspected, and released without issue. When it was obvious that the suppressor was fake, they let it through. Other inspectors may not be so lax with their interpretation of the law.

[kullwarrior]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

Unfortunately, that's the case. Personally, I ordered a stubby rail / suppressor front end for an M4 about a year ago. It was held at customs for a week, inspected, and released without issue. When it was obvious that the suppressor was fake, they let it through. Other inspectors may not be so lax with their interpretation of the law.

a week is NOTHING, I had EMS shipment held for a month. I actually filed a complaint on the custom officier who deal with my parcel. They said that's not their problem, I told them, if you're employee can't do their job, they should be trained. Later on I got response say that request is put through and they will "educate" the custom officer so that future incident will not be an issue.

If it's seized, Appeal it. Arguing it's not a real silencer, and it cannot be used in real firearm to met the criteria of silencer as it wont be much of noise reduction than a PVC pipe from homedepot . It's not illegal to attach tube to the barrel, real firearms have that see flux silencer for PS90 (make it looks like it has a silencer attached) they're legal.

[Drache]

There are two different kinds of airsoft "suppressors", the totally 100% fake ones that are hollow and just used to cover long barrels, and the 50% fake ones that have the foam inside that actually reduce the sound of airsoft guns.

These foam ones are the ones that CBSA has problems with. I was at a LEGAL testing of an airsoft foam silencer on a real steel .22LR rifle and the damn thing made a VERY notable difference in the report of the firearm. Then I got my airsoft suppressor back

The suppressors that take a number of foam rings inside is the most "dangerous" in the sense that it can be made to be a fully functional suppressor WAY too easily. Cost was the price of the suppressor and $3 at a hardware store....

Originally Posted by kullwarrior

If it's seized, Appeal it. Arguing it's not a real silencer, and it cannot be used in real firearm to met the criteria of silencer as it wont be much of noise reduction than a PVC pipe from homedepot . It's not illegal to attach tube to the barrel, real firearms have that see flux silencer for PS90 (make it looks like it has a silencer attached) they're legal.

Read the laws on the matter. They state that ANYTHING that reduces the noise (they do NOT state by a certain decibal) of a firearm is prohibited. Meaning if they want to call it a suppressor in a court of a law you have a tough fight on your hands.

[kullwarrior]

Originally Posted by Drache

There are two different kinds of airsoft "suppressors", the totally 100% fake ones that are hollow and just used to cover long barrels, and the 50% fake ones that have the foam inside that actually reduce the sound of airsoft guns.

These foam ones are the ones that CBSA has problems with. I was at a LEGAL testing of an airsoft foam silencer on a real steel .22LR rifle and the damn thing made a VERY notable difference in the report of the firearm. Then I got my airsoft suppressor back

The suppressors that take a number of foam rings inside is the most "dangerous" in the sense that it can be made to be a fully functional suppressor WAY too easily. Cost was the price of the suppressor and $3 at a hardware store....



Read the laws on the matter. They state that ANYTHING that reduces the noise (they do NOT state by a certain decibal) of a firearm is prohibited. Meaning if they want to call it a suppressor in a court of a law you have a tough fight on your hands.

Well the fact is you can argue and often should win compared against PVC pipe and duct tape.

You need to understand, attaching something will change the direction of sound. So in a sense if you record at the exit the result is not much different. I understand that you guys just want to keep stuff favoring retailers who took the risk already, but I'm just saying, If you don't fight, you will never win.

[Drache]

Originally Posted by kullwarrior

Well the fact is you can argue and often should win compared against PVC pipe and duct tape.

You need to understand, attaching something will change the direction of sound. So in a sense if you record at the exit the result is not much different. I understand that you guys just want to keep stuff favoring retailers who took the risk already, but I'm just saying, If you don't fight, you will never win.

Head on over to CGN and talk with a guy by the name of Suputin or something like that. His job is to play with suppressed firearms.

As I stated before, an airsoft suppressor with the foam inside WILL suppress the sound of a firearm slightly and thus according to the FA and the CCC you can be charged for it. Take a couple washers from the hardware store and slip them between the foam rings and you have a very useful suppressor for a firearm.

There was recently a handgun with a FAKE suppressor on it that was for sale at a gunshow and the RCMP showed up and seized it. The guy can try to fight it in court but:

1) If that fake suppressor even slightly dulls the retort he doesn't have a leg to stand on.
2) Is going to be very expensive court case.

As for local retailers to overseas, if Im not in a rush I go for whomever's cheaper.

[THe_Silencer]

Originally Posted by kullwarrior

I understand that you guys just want to keep stuff favoring retailers who took the risk already...

I rather fight to allow stuff to favour EVERYONE WHO TAKES THE RISK.